Combat?

[lobo]

So Just like in the SCA combat will most likely be a major draw for this sort of thing , I am assuming a wide varity of melee and missle weapons but how would you make safe guns ? I mean cross bows and regular bows are easy enough , but guns , i suppose there is always paint guns and i think they have grenade launchers and landmines . bwahaha paint bazooka . it would be messy but it could be fun . unless we can find another source for non fatal ammo rattan bullets wrapped in duct tape. lunched by springs or co2.

LOL i was just on ebay and craigslist and found multiple paintball grenade launchers and gas masks.

[Starr]

LOL I do like the way you think.

Yes we would use the fighting & safety guidelines used in the sca for fighting. We do want to integrate guns into the fighting too. Guns would be an issue we would have to deal with in any situation for food supplies or just because someone wants to hurt others.

We have been looking at all the known types of recreational gun play. Here are some to name a few.

Paint ball is a good idea tho the mess is an issue. Well established systems to work with and known supplies & repair problems.

Airsoft is also an interesting style, tho we have not really looked into it as of yet. There is a Large range of styles to see of gun bodies with airsoft. They can be gotten at Walmart for cheap or one could spend big bucks like at air soft mega store on them too if they wished.

I was told that the Rapier groups in the sca use rubber band guns and even have a multi shot rubber band gun. I think that these would not hit with enough force to be felt in a larger melee but we can try everything until we find the best fit.

I think large scale weapons from grenades up to cannons could be used.

Land mines now that is something that could be a very real issue and a very good tactic to be explored if it could be made safely.

Large hand held weapons as Law or bazooka would be a situation we would have to deal with it would most likely be a rare thing.

Honestly cannons are the extreme for logistics. I don't see tanks and howitzers lasting to long after a collapse due to the gas required to transport them.

I feel we should stay open minded to everything at this point and not make any limitations on the kind of weapon style we use until they are tried and understood for safely and reality of use. Then set up some good clear guidelines for what is used on the field.

Safety for everyone involved with the fighting, referees to supply units need to be thought of & even spectators. We will need to workout all the safety issues from adding any type of gun system to the fighting.

[lobo]

I watched some you tube videos of paint landmines that used water instead , looked to come out in a fine mist so im guessing they were charged with co2

[Starr]

I will look those videos up on you tube.

I bought a Colt MK IV to try the airsoft spring pistol out. I only paid $13 bucks at walmart unlike the cost shown on amazon. I had to buy ammo for it, ammo is sold separately for this gun but it was only $3 bucks so not a big cost over all.

The gun is not bad for a spring loaded toy. The range is reasonable for the power of the gun. I am sure the Co2 powered are much more powerful tho. I ll keep a look out for one at a cost I feel is good.

[lobo]

I plan on buying a few differnt types of paint balls to smash on different materials to see how hard they are to clean out of stuff I know they have made them to where there easier to clean out of stuff but paint balls and air soft are a new thing for me i know almost nothing about them .

[Starr]

Dec 20, 2010 16:48:58 GMT -7 lobo said:

I plan on buying a few differnt types of paint balls to smash on different materials to see how hard they are to clean out of stuff I know they have made them to where there easier to clean out of stuff but paint balls and air soft are a new thing for me i know almost nothing about them .

Any luck with your research on these?

I have used the airsoft gun I bought, it uses 12mm ammo. I have to say I am not real imperssed with it as a combat weapon. I looks real enough aside from it being clear, tho a lil black spray paint can fix that. It would look good as a side arm to use as something to wear around in a holster, sadly that is all tho.

I have been told by someone that there is much heavier ammo for the larger Co2 powered airsoft, I will look into that to see if they would have a better impact while in a light armor over this spring powered one I have now.

I had a couple guns made by Nerf suggested to me. I seen one of them at the store and I simply do not see them as a possibility for our combat.

My search continues.

[lobo]

The only problem i see with air soft , is being able to marshall it it will be hard for refs to see the impact .

and another issue i have seen is paint ball and airsoft guns looking to real , would be easy for someone to slip in with a real gun with real ammo something to think about in the future when there are more members. i dont believe anyone here will bust a real cap in my ass. lol

I have not had the time recently to go out and buy or try anything , still am going to go purchase different brands of paint balls and see what materials i can clean it out of i know they have made it pretty washable these days , but i plan on using it on leather,canvas,linens, cotton blends like t shirts , poly blends and so on , if it stains to much plastic tabards can be made.

[Starr]

I agree with you the ammo in this air soft pistol I have is very small and would not be easy for anyone to see. I do not think the larger sized ammo will be much better. I'm still looking at what is available to be used for the air soft.

The reality of someone bring a real weapon on the combat field is something that is going to have be a concern each and every time we are on the combat field. Not just the refs but everyone will need to be watching for that one weapon not marked by the *Combat Referees.

The weapons will have be inspected by the CRs and some type of marking system will have to be used. Different color tape paint or stickers would be good, the color would not be known until the time of the combat to try to keep out any weapons not inspected and identify all ranged weapons on the fly while combat is in play for the CRs. This is not the only way it can be handled though.

Do not stress to much about the paint at this point I was just wondering if you had found the time, we are not that close to really having any **Combat Training or any Gatherings to use them anyways. I think just finding a place we can use them will be probably the hardest thing to work out at this point.

*Combat Referees - CRs
**Combat Training - CT

[Phillip]

If I can jump in here, I looked on Craigs list today and seen a lot of used guns for sale.

I have never played paintball but I know a few guys that have and they always make it seem there there are good and bad to the sport.

I would bet that it would be very easy to see if someone have been hit in a combat round.

[Starr]

Jan 13, 2011 15:05:02 GMT -7 Phillip said:

If I can jump in here, I looked on Craigs list today and seen a lot of used guns for sale.

I have never played paintball but I know a few guys that have and they always make it seem there there are good and bad to the sport.

I would bet that it would be very easy to see if someone have been hit in a combat round.

Jump in on any coversation that is what this is for.

I did not think of craigslist for paintball heh great suggestion.

I'v played it once long long ago when it first came out, heh got hit with a frozen ball to so I never went back.

The paint would be very easy for CR's to see to make a call of a hit.

We could set the paint colors for each side each time which would help.

I spoke with Jason last night he has a gun or two. He told me the guns can be re-calibrated for range or how hard they hit if someone knows what they are doing right on the field, so that is something to remember if we decide to go with the paintballs for combat.

This just sounds like we would have to have on field inspections once in awhile if someone was suspected of doing a recalibration. It should be a none issue tho if we have good respectable members.

The range and amount of pressure for the guns we could set for certain types of combat scenarios too. that could help change it up and add a difference of levels for skill to the combat.